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Frank Ocean: What's the work these days for you?

Dr. James Fadiman: Well, the work that I did then was what we would call clinical, which is people would come in, they would pay a fee, they would be interviewed by a psychiatrist, they'd have some interviews, then they would have a very high-dose LSD session, just one, and some follow up. And then we would notice what had happened, and what they came in for, and how they improve. We also did a crеativity study where we had sеnior scientists coming in with problems they couldn't solve, and with the help of a lower dose of LSD, I think we had 48 problems and 44 solutions. That all ended when the government stopped all research. And I picked it up again, many years later, when I started to what are called now "microdoses," or very, very tiny doses of psychedelics, that are gonna have a totally different set of effects. So, the answer to that one is a long answer. Many of the people who are listening to us have had probably a psychedelic experience in high school or, or later, where they, their world really opened up in ways they never imagined. Their visual world became incredibly bright and powerful. They began to see everything as energy, not just as form and matter. They also may have lost their own identity and become really part of whatever they think. Whatever everything is, Michael Pollan says was if his identity was being poured all over the landscape, like a coat of paint, and you don't come out of them seeing the world the same way. It's a little bit, there's a World War I song that said, "How are ya gonna keep them down on the farm after they've seen Paree?" This is because so many American soldiers were rural, small towns, and suddenly they were in Europe, and they were in Paris and the world was never the same. So based on letting go of your personal identity, and having what's called a mystical experience, an experience of oneness, an experience of unity, an experience of identifying with all life. Big, big shifts. Microdosing does none of that. Absolutely none of that. It's kind of like on your radio dial when you go from FM to AM. AM isn't like "little FM," it's its own universe. Microdosing, microdosing allows you to do whatever you normally do a little easier, a little more comfortably. There's a book out by Ayelet Waldman called A Really Good Day, and that's one of the definitions of someone microdosing, they say, "Gee, I had a really good day." And one of the reports I've gotten had it, said it this way, it says, "I had a really good day, I got some work done that I hadn't wanted to do. I was nice to people in the office, even that person didn't deserve it. After work, at the gym, I noticed I did one more set of reps. Then, I completely forgot I'd taken a microdose." So it's not, you know, the universe doesn't shatter, it just, maybe it smiles a little bit. […]